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By the mid 1920's Pan American began to be marketed totally separately. Pan American had their own patents, trademarks, catalogs, models and dealer structure. Based on trade articles 1920 is the demarcation for Pan American as a company.ĥ) At the beginning Pan American was marketed with the CG Conn Ltd brand and separately.

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From these serial numbers and related models come all so called 'Conn Stencils' actually making them Pan American stencils. Woodwinds were added to the mix, but without a 'P', 'W' or 'A' pefix, but starting with a serial akin to 0001. They also introduced 'W' serials, integrated with the 'P' serials and a separate 'A' serial system for their International brass instruments. With the opening began the production of Pan American named and numbered models and the famous 'P' serials for brass and saxes.

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These modofications constitute new models.ģ) In July 1919, Pan American Band Instrument & Case Co was incorporated by CD Greenleaf and AH Beardsley, under the laws of the state of Indiana with a registration number implying activity from 1917.Ĥ) In November 1919 the Pan American factory opened. Based on visual comparison, brass and saxes appear to be modified versions of the pre-Conn Ltd models. So far I have not found any woodwinds from this time period. The brass had their own serial system, while the saxes were in the existing CG Conn system. The Pan American's under this brand were labeled 'Pan American Model.' From these instruments began the stencils. CG Conn Ltd was the brand.Ģ) The Pan American brand was established in 1917, along with American First.

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The full name for the new company was CG Conn Ltd, Inc.

This signified the change from Col Conn ownership to the consortium headed by CD Greenleaf. There is a possibility I may be able to estimate production statistics and I may be able to provide a woodwind serial system too.ġ) On September 15, 1915, the first CG Conn Ltd brand instruments went to the market place. The previous versions were at a confidence level of 95% at 5%. I will be updating the brass and sax serial systems as continuing the registry and history research has moved some of the data points around. besides registering serial numbers, I am actively engaged in history research. And on a related study, ART Musical Instruments, which became Pedler & Son. I am also working on the Elkhart Band Instrument Co, the Buescher subsidiary. Hi, I'm a little late for the party, but I'm Kurt, the one doing the work on Pan American and its own second lines International and Cavalier. FWIW, I can't remember anyone asking me how old their Yamaha was.

I'm told that if you do own a Yamaha, you can call them up and they'll provide info. If you're extra enterprising, you can go to Yamaha's website and look at a parts list. has some information on the Yamaha-made Vitos and that chart might extend to other Yamaha instruments (see our serial number research thread). Yamaha's serial numbers are allegedly non-sequential. Selmer probably still maintains that there were no Mark VII horns produced in anything but alto and tenor. regardless of the fact that there was a curved soprano on their website. I also remember them denying they ever built curved soprano saxophones. I've also seen e-mails written in badly broken English that were just flat out wrong. I've seen examples of e-mails from them that I could verify with other sources. Selmer Paris has always been hit or miss. However, there are at least a couple folks on this forum that owned relatively recent Leblanc instruments and Leblanc refused to give out any information. As an example, I've been told - by Leblanc - that if you own one of their instruments and e-mail them asking for dating assistance, they'll be happy to provide it. Leblanc has an interesting relationship with the people that own their instruments. Two occurred before CG Conn became 'CG Conn, LTD,' so they predate the Pan American model by a few years. Re: Conn fire, there were at least two, if not three. I'm a little interested in how this Pan American serial number chart works for other Conn stencils and stencils/Pan Americans that don't have 'P' serial numbers. However, I've personally received dozens, if not hundreds, of e-mails over the years asking how old Pan American horns are.

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It really doesn't matter: it's not a pro horn. It's kinda like asking how old a Bundy II is. Well, for what it's worth, the main reason nobody paid much attention to Pan American serial numbers is because these were Conn's second-line horns, i.e.